Remington 1858 ID

[RustyNail]

Trying to identify and age a Remington ball and cap revolver, 8" barrel that I got from my grandfather who traded for it many years ago. I have had it for ~60 years. No telling how long he had it. Numbers on the underside of the barrel is 102o23, D on the left side of barrel, P and C on the cylinder, and N on the right side of the frame.

Any help would be appreciated.

Glenn

[dpg06va]

Hello Rusty Nail,
From the serial number of 102023 but no photo, my opinion is that you have a New Model, 1858 Army percussion revolver, 44 caliber. According the estimate of author Don Ware, that gun was manufactured in October, 1865. Since that is past the conclusion of the Civil War, it was likely not inspected by the US Ordnance department and sold instead on the civilian market. The serial number is stamped also on the frame under the left grip panel, and, on the hidden tang of the trigger guard (remove one small screw). Matching numbers would confirm the revolver was not pieced together later from parts. These higher serial numbered revolvers are often in very good condition and sought after by collectors and shooters. Please post some photos.

[dieNusse1]

If it was accepted by the Army it should have a final inspectors cartouche stamped on the left grip.

Pictures would help.

[RustyNail]

Thanks for the replies. Pictures will be coming.

[RustyNail]

Numbers on the barrel and frame match. 102923. Hopefully these pic go through. I am hopeless with this stuff.

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[dieNusse1]

Very NICE! I don't see a final inspectors cartouche on the left grip so I assume it was sold on the civilian market. To determine if all serial numbers match you need to remove the trigger guard to observe the serial number stamped on the tab.

Enjoy!!

[RustyNail]

Removed the trigger guard and found no serial number stamped on the frame or guard. Not sure what the tab is that you reference.

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[dieNusse1]

Other side.download/file.php?mode=view&id=10792

[dieNusse1]

Sorry about poor photo quality. I think it reads 63432 and unfortunately does not match frame.

Can you send photo of name and address line on top of barrel?

[RustyNail]

Not sure what numbers you posted for your tab, but the guard tab on this gun has no numbers. Top of the barrel is stamped:

Patented Sept 14 1858
E REMINGTON & SONS ILION NEW YORK
NHW Model USA

[dieNusse1]

The numbers are the serial number. Sadly when the armory repaired or refreshed weapons they did not always match parts to the original weapon. They just grabbed the part needed.

Civilian models offen did not have the S/N stamped. Somestimes a letter was used. Given that, I feel yours is a civilian issue.

Enjoy!

[Jim in Wisconsin]

The trigger doesn't seem to be in the right position - there might be something broke inside. It's not hard to take these revolvers apart.

[RustyNail]

Glad you brought the trigger position up because I forgot it. Trigger is short and does not fit idexs finger. I will get into the workings and let you know.

[dieNusse1]

Both the trigger and trigger/stop spring are available from Dixie Gun Works if replacement is needed.

[aardq]

Hi Glenn,

That is a New Model Army. The serial indicates that it was made in Oct 1864. The small capital letters indicate Gov sub-inspectors inspected and passed that part. There should be a cartouche on the left, lower grip panel. Since there isn't one, I'll presume that the grips were replaced.

Those sub-inspector's marks mean that it was made and accepted for a gov contract. All Remmys, civilian and gov were serialized. If there is no number on the trigger guard tab, it could have been replaced, or it just didn't get stamped. Not a big deal, and it doesn't affect value.

At some point, for an unknown reason, the trigger and maybe other internal parts wee replaced. As suggested, Dixie Gun Works is the first place to look.Overall, it look like it i in decent condition, except for the trigger.

Daniel