LOADING & FEEDING OF THE MODEL 14/141

[nambujim]

In the last few days I have received four (4) emails/phone calls relating to this subject, all of which are ammunition related, and almost all of those pertained to ammunition acquired from a reputable firm. The "custom" loaded rounds of .30, .32, & 35 Remington had one thing in common, they used something other than ROUND NOSE bullets.

I am NOT the world authority on the Model 14 but I have been repairing them for thirty-five (35) years with a high degree of success! I will try to make this short in that you should NEVER use anything but round nose ammunition with these cartridges (all calibers), OACL is critical, and don't think for a minute you can get by with just "neck sizing" the case.

These rifles were made at a time when reloading was in its infancy, they were made to use new/pristene ammunition, the early rifles are the most critical, and after you fire a round the brass will be nicked up because of the feed, load, & ejection process. Remington didn't think that back in 1912 you would be reloading so that somewhat beat up brass didn't matter much but move ahead 100 years and everyone seems to think they have a better idea. You need to think about how things were done in 1920 and not today by using the brass no more that 2-3 times at most while utilizing a powder like the old IMR's and not the trendy new ones.

For years I told the board of the local gun club that out of every 100 members we had 40 that won't read, 40 that can't read, and 6 idiots. I hate to use that same theory here but we have so many that will read the forum but simply don't listen or understand what is being passed on to them.

Using ROUND NOSE bullets & pristene brass is not my opinion, it is fact.

Here is the exact wording on the back of the "hang tags" that were attached to every one of the Model 14's:

IMPORTANT
Ammunition with pointed bullets
should not be used in this rifle,
except when loaded by hand into
the chamber.

I hope some will find this helpful!

Jim

[John Gyde]

Good info!!! This comes up quite often and you offer the solution to the feeding problem.

Let's hope some of the fourteen read this. Maybe even some of the forty...

[nambujim]

Dan!

Email me at nambujim@carolina.rr.com and we can discuss the problems with your rifle but there is no doubt in my mind it is readily fixable. I don't do this as a living but rather a hobby since their are not enough Model 14/141's to keep me in business full time, they are the ONLY model I work on and have a substantial parts inventory.

You must keep in mind that these guns are very "quirky" and I have a feeling that a lot of hands have been inside your rifle, easy way to judge is to look at the screws on the magazine plug and action bar cover. If the screws are buggered up badly that pretty much tells the story.

Let me hear from you directly and we'll go from there.

Jim Peterson
Charlotte, NC

[nambujim]

This is a first, a right side mounted "left handed" take down screw.

Thought I would pass on the pics for entertainment purposes, hope the show up since I have little experience in adding them to forum postings.

[nambujim]

Trust me, it looks a lot better now!

Hope you didn't mind my putting that up there, it continues to amaze me as to the modifications folks made to keep these old guns working. This one has a lot of character and should be good for years to come.

Regards!

[Dudley]

Re-read the first post in this thread....
Especiallythe part about which bullet to use. This sentence in particular: "I will try to make this short in that you should NEVER use anything but round nose ammunition with these cartridges (all calibers), OACL is critical, and don't think for a minute you can get by with just "neck sizing" the case."
Good advise. Good luck.