Remington 30 # Marked 25 Roberts

[farmallh]

I have a Remington 30 S marked 25 Roberts. I found information in The complete guide to handloading by Philip B Sharpe speaks to the difference of the 25 Roberts and 257 Roberts. "Remington changed the taper of the shoulder so the 257 cartridge cannot be shot in a rifle chambered for the 25 Roberts. It was first produced as the 25 Roberts but Captain E C Crossman insisted to
release it that way would invite severe complications; he suggested the
change in name to 257 Roberts which Remington immediately accepted."

I fired a new 257 Roberts in the 30 Express and also in a Remington
722. Both brass appear identical after firing. I did this on the suggestion
of my gunsmith as I had fired many 257 Roberts prior to this from the 30
Express. As I understand the Guide to handloading a .257 Roberts will not
chamber in a 25 Roberts rifle. I believe the 30 Express was sold before they changed the name to 257 Roberts. I've has other early Remington's miss labeled. A Remington model 8 as 30-30 instead of 30 Remington for an example. The information I stated is on page 359 of the Complete Guide to Handloading by Philip B Sharpe.

Any comments or additional information to confirm or question my information is requested. Thanks

[remington600]

Ive always been fascinated on this subject of the 25 Roberts and the 257 Remington Roberts then the 257 Roberts. Though I have never really had time to research it to get hard facts. From what I thought the 25 roberts came first and it was closely named to a differant wildcat cartridge and they feared someone loading the wrong cartridge in the rifle and haveing a saftey issue. The same with the 30-30 Remington and the 30-30 Winchester. Ive always gave it a little effort to try to track down a model 30 with the 25 Roberts stamping, but I guess never really looked hard enough.

[remington600]

Unprimed brass