Remington Contract Rifled Musket

[Fireman]

I am new to the forum and have joined on advice from Remington Customer service to seek help with identifying several 1800's Remington rifles. For now, I will start with my pride and joy. This rifle is almost pristine, NIB. I have a rifled musket with the lockplate stamped "Remington's Herkimer NY" and on the rear of the lockplate "US Model 1851". The tang of the barrel is stamped "1850" and proofmarks on the left side of the barrel are very clearly marked "US", then under that "A.D.K." (Capital letters, but smaller) and under that "P". It also has "US" and "10" on the top of the buttplate. All markings are very clear. All of the furniture is brass, except for the lockplate, with a brass patchbox door (inside carved the letter "V"), inside is a spare nipple and threaded bullet extractor. It has one brass band mid barrel with a spring loaded stop and a brass pinned forepiece cap (brass) that also has a spring loaded stop. This forend cap and trigger guard have sling attachments, but I have no sling with this. It came to me with a very nicely fitted bayonet that fits over the turned down muzzle. The ramrod is tulip shaped.

Can anyone help me identify this piece and give an approximate value? Thanks in advance.

[Dick Hosmer]

Appears to be a U.S. Model 1841 Percussion Rifle (aka "Mississippi Rifle") of which Remington was one of the contractors. Yours would seem to be one of the 1600 altered for socket bayonet by F. H. Grosz of New York City, prior to December of 1861. If so, it is Flayderman #9A-285.6. Value, in the condition you describe (which sadly eliminates any possibility of CW use) should be around $4500-$5000.

[Fireman]

Dick,
Thanks for the input. I tried to get my hands on a current Flaydermans this weekend as my interests in my collection have been fueled up again. I will look at Barnes and Noble to pick one up. I will find some time soon to take pictures and include them in another post. I tend to agree that this piece did not see any rough use as the wood and metal are in very good shape. There are no scratches on the brass or gunmetal. The bayonet system is really very smooth and the iron parts of the bayonet and gun have never seen any rust. It was part of a small private museum collection in Savannah, owned by a prominent local historian. He ran into financial straits in the 70's and had to close it, selling off many pieces, so I bought what I could. I do not remember if he said much about where it came from. Looks like I made a good investment, even though it was not used in the war and it is a very handsome piece of history.

I will be posting later for some help in identifying a Rolling Block #1 Sporter and #1 RB military issue. Pictures to follow on these also.

Regards,
Brooks Hamm
aka Fireman

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