#1's and Rebated Receivers

[Yellowhouse]

Vall,

We had a in-depth discussion recently on criteria to distinguish #1 from #1 1/2 actions. As a neophyte on RB, it was a learning experience for me. One of those characteristics was the rebated receiver on the #1 which is not present on the 1 1/2.

I think there might be exceptions. Take a look at the front cover of Venturino's "Shooting Buffalo Rifles of the Old West". This is a #1 with squared but not rebated receiver. However, this rifle has a heavyweight barrel and it wouldn't have looked right being rebated.

Then on p. 50 he first shows a #1 Sporter with a rebated receiver and what appears to be the standard weight. Below that is a pic of a round top showing a SST. Its not mentioned what caliber. It could be a #1 1/2 but has the scalloped wood. Can't see enough of the bottom tang to note whether it is longer but the trigger guard is "fat" so I'm betting it is a #1. This rifle might be one of the really early ones.

On p. 57 we again see the typical rebated receiver.

Differentiating the two action types is easy for me due to all the dialogue. I just wanted to point out that actions with the heavyweight barrels may not always be rebated. Don't know if that is the rule or not. So would like to hear from those who do have the heavier barrels.

P.S. Check out the receiver on this carbine.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =123302486

[oldremguy]

Have to keep this short, got to go to work soon, but here is my 2-cents.
I think that a lot of the early made sporting rifles were made with a round top receiver because the barrel shank that theaded into the receiver were larger in diameter. If they would of milled some of the material off the top of the receiver, Remington would of made the receiver weaker at this point.
When the barrel shank became small in size. do to the size of the chamber, the thickness of the receceiver was thicker at this point then before and they were able to mill more material off.

P.S. The carbine shown is actually a New York Rifle cut down to look like a carbine

Have a good day,
Matt

[marlinman93]

Round top Rolling Blocks don't have rebated receivers, so it's wont make it a 1 1/2 if it's flat sided and round top. All 1 1/2 Rollers are octagon top. Yes, it dopes appear to be a #1 without a rebated receiver. Might be special order due to the barrel size, but not necessarily. My #1 is a rebated receiver, and as you can see the barrel is larger than the receiver. I've seen #1 Rollers that had barrels even larger than mine, and they were rebated still. Not sure what the story on the cover gun is, but it could even be a later repro by Lone Star. I know Mikle had a couple he shot extensively in BPCR. Is this one of them, or an original? The gun on page 57 is not a Roller, but a Ballard.-Vall

[Yellowhouse]

Vall, I do not know if the one on the cover is an original or not. I think so but not sure...but I'll let you know soon.

[Yellowhouse]

ARRGh. I meant the pic at the bottom of p. 51............not 57!

[Yellowhouse]

Just heard from Venturino, the rifle on the cover is an original.