1870 Navy framed target 22's
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yellow-dog1959
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1870 Navy framed target 22's
Greetings. I am curious what experience others have had with Navy framed target conversions. It is written that unless 100 of a particular variant was produced there is no model designation associated. I have been fortunate enough to have found a couple interesting Navy framed target conversions which I believe were Remington factory conversions. One is a 1901 target Navy variant with a serial 50xx on the upper tang only. Lower tang and trigger guard are of the Russian spur configuration. Chambered in 22 LR. The other appears similar to an sort of a morph of the 1887 & 1891 target chambered in 22 short with 3x matching serial 38xx on the upper/lower tangs and wood grip. The 22 short has what I presume to be the original block as it has both the upright spru and "V" groove for sighting in its original form. Both are marked with correct inspector's P FCW and the latter is case hardened. The barrel has no marking but appears identical to the 1901 (10" part round) but without "Remington Arms". Both are a hoot to shoot and very accurate with great triggers. I would love to see if there are others out there and learn from you all.
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Re: 1870 Navy framed target 22's
Wow, beautiful gun in great condition !!
Re: 1870 Navy framed target 22's
Hi Yellow dog,
First let me say I'm no expert on the R B Pistols. However in my 50 years of collecting Remington's, I have only seen the hooked trigger guard on Belgium made Rolling Blocks. The fact that it isn't serial numbered to the upper tang leads me to believe that Remington didn't make it. Of course it could have been a one off experimental. Just my observation.
It appears very well done and it's very unique. Enjoy it.
First let me say I'm no expert on the R B Pistols. However in my 50 years of collecting Remington's, I have only seen the hooked trigger guard on Belgium made Rolling Blocks. The fact that it isn't serial numbered to the upper tang leads me to believe that Remington didn't make it. Of course it could have been a one off experimental. Just my observation.
It appears very well done and it's very unique. Enjoy it.
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yellow-dog1959
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Re: 1870 Navy framed target 22's
ChuckD,
Thanks for your insights. I guess some of the fun of early rollers are the variations and sometimes lack of definition which leads to best guess or speculation...certainly the lower tang was replaced from the original 1870's manufacture when the .22 conversion was done decades later. My thinking was it was factory and special order but then who, knows! I do enjoy them...
I hope there are others who can post images of their target conversion RB's...
Thanks for your insights. I guess some of the fun of early rollers are the variations and sometimes lack of definition which leads to best guess or speculation...certainly the lower tang was replaced from the original 1870's manufacture when the .22 conversion was done decades later. My thinking was it was factory and special order but then who, knows! I do enjoy them...
I hope there are others who can post images of their target conversion RB's...
Re: 1870 Navy framed target 22's
E Remington & Sons went out of business in 1888, and left behind a lot of parts, and complete RB pistols. Rem Arms Co. used the pistol so all RB frames were made before 1888. Custom gunsmiths made RB pistols based on those old frames, possibly up to today.es, l parts to make target model RB Pistols up to about 1920. The only new part would be a barrel. RBuy the RB Pistol book,very worth the money.
Daniel,
Daniel,
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marlinman93
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Re: 1870 Navy framed target 22's
I'm late to this topic, but own a pair of rolling Block target pistols. In 1871 Remington made significant changes to the frames that included the hump in the grip frame just above the grips, and also the concave curvature to the rear of the frame where it meets the grips. All models built after 1871 used these changes, which would mean everything else before this date was modified from the earlier style frame as your guns have.
Both of mine are based on the later frame style, and both custom modified by famed makers. One was done by H.M. Pope and is fitted with a Pope left hand twist .22 Short barrel. Hammer has been lightened, and trigger tuned, and a trigger stop added. The Pope barrel is threaded for a Maxim silencer for indoor matches, and has a protective collar when the silencer isn't used. I also own an original Maxim factory cutaway silencer for this handgun. I was told it was built in a group Pope did for the first US Olympics in St Louis in 1903.
The 2nd one was done by Pope's only apprentice, Arthur Hubalek of Brooklyn, NY and has a Hubalek Special barrel done to the same profile as original Remington barrels, and is chambered for .22LR. The action is also tuned and slicked up by Hubalek, and the grip frame is highly modified to be a full frame and two piece grips. Beautiful work by Hubalek and the larger grip feels wonderful.
The Pope is the top gun, and Hubalek is the lower gun.

Maxim cutaway for the Pope.


Both of mine are based on the later frame style, and both custom modified by famed makers. One was done by H.M. Pope and is fitted with a Pope left hand twist .22 Short barrel. Hammer has been lightened, and trigger tuned, and a trigger stop added. The Pope barrel is threaded for a Maxim silencer for indoor matches, and has a protective collar when the silencer isn't used. I also own an original Maxim factory cutaway silencer for this handgun. I was told it was built in a group Pope did for the first US Olympics in St Louis in 1903.
The 2nd one was done by Pope's only apprentice, Arthur Hubalek of Brooklyn, NY and has a Hubalek Special barrel done to the same profile as original Remington barrels, and is chambered for .22LR. The action is also tuned and slicked up by Hubalek, and the grip frame is highly modified to be a full frame and two piece grips. Beautiful work by Hubalek and the larger grip feels wonderful.
The Pope is the top gun, and Hubalek is the lower gun.

Maxim cutaway for the Pope.

