Hello, I'm trying to identify this rifle that was left by a tenant in my girlfriend's house. We live in Toronto, Canada. From what I have discovered, this unit is a Remington Rolling Block Rifle with last Patent as of 1866. There are sling loops at the fore-end and the trigger-guard. The stamping on the left side of the action says "Remington S Ilion N.Y. U.S.A. Pat. May 3d Nov.15th 1864 April 17th 1866"
The stamping on right side of the action says "P" above "F.C.W." Aside from the "U" on the 2 bands around the barrel, I have not yet found any further stampings. The rear site is very small and appears to be bent, there are some single digit numbers stamped on the rear site. I haven't measured the bore yet and it is rifled and very filthy and I am guessing it is almost 1/2 inch.
I have included all the photographs that I have. The barrel is 27 7/8 " long. There is a strange stamp ahead of the rear site that looks like a reverse lower-case "F" and and adjacent "V" ,..strange. There is a '13' stamped on the top of the steel plate on the butt of the gun. The '3' has been double-struck. I am hoping that some of you well educated Remington scholars might tell me what this unit is.
Remington Rifle Identification
Remington Rifle Identification
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Re: Remington Rifle Identification
This is a Remington pistol frame cadet rifle. These were made in the 1890s by using surplus Navy rolling block pistols. Dealer Hartley & Graham had them made up by both their gunsmith Coxford and by Remington.
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Re: Remington Rifle Identification
Here's a picture of the 1903 M. Hartley & Co. 1903 catalog for the three Cadet rifles they sold exclusively. Yours will be the top rifle #205 Model.

As you can see the cartridge would be the stubby little .50 Navy cartridge just like the Rolling Block 1867 pistols used for the same action. It measured just under an inch long and .50 caliber.

As you can see the cartridge would be the stubby little .50 Navy cartridge just like the Rolling Block 1867 pistols used for the same action. It measured just under an inch long and .50 caliber.
Re: Remington Rifle Identification
Thank you for that information. Very helpful. Cheers!ehull wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 3:22 pm This is a Remington pistol frame cadet rifle. These were made in the 1890s by using surplus Navy rolling block pistols. Dealer Hartley & Graham had them made up by both their gunsmith Coxford and by Remington.
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Thank you for that very helpful information. Cheers!marlinman93 wrote: Sun Jan 12, 2025 11:14 am Here's a picture of the 1903 M. Hartley & Co. 1903 catalog for the three Cadet rifles they sold exclusively. Yours will be the top rifle #205 Model.
As you can see the cartridge would be the stubby little .50 Navy cartridge just like the Rolling Block 1867 pistols used for the same action. It measured just under an inch long and .50 caliber.