info sur Remington 1858 Hybride

[Kickingbear]

Bonjour,

j'ai un Remington 1858, je crois hybride?
pouvez vous me donner l'année de fabrication, et m'en dire le plus possible sur mon arme.
guidon dérivable
SA, cal 44
longueur Total 34 cm
canon 20 cm (8")
longueur barillet environ 51 cm
N° sous le canon 15725
J sur le pontet, à quoi correspond ce J ?
N° carcasse 36300.

Marquage sur le canon : PATENTED SEPT 14.1858
E. REMINGTON & SONS ILION NEWYORK.U.S.A.

je ne sais pas poster de photo.

merci pour vos réponses

[Kickingbear]

Hello, I have a Remington 1858 I believe hybrid? Can you give me the year of manufacture, and tell me as much about my arme.guidon differentiable
SA, cal 44
Total length 34 cm
canon 20 cm (8")
barrel length about 51 cm
N° sous le canon 15725
J on the bridge, what does this J ?
N° carcass 36300.

Marking on the barrel : PATENTED SEPT 14.1858
E. REMINGTON & SONS ILION NEWYORK.U.S.A.

I do not know poster photo.
Thank you for your answers

[ForumAdmin]

Bonjour,

j'ai un Remington 1858, je crois hybride?
pouvez vous me donner l'année de fabrication, et m'en dire le plus possible sur mon arme.
guidon dérivable
SA, cal 44
longueur Total 34 cm
canon 20 cm (8")
longueur barillet environ 51 cm
N° sous le canon 15725
J sur le pontet, à quoi correspond ce J ?
N° carcasse 36300.

Marquage sur le canon : PATENTED SEPT 14.1858
E. REMINGTON & SONS ILION NEWYORK.U.S.A.

je ne sais pas poster de photo.

merci pour vos réponses

[Kickingbear]

merci beaucoup pour avoir mis mes photos

[billt]

Bonjour,
Bienvenue sur le forum RSA. Now that I have exhausted my French I will have to switch to English. If you mean by hybrid that the revolver is not all original I believe you are correct. Your revolver looks to me to be a standard New Model Army, which has had the front sight and the loading lever latch post changed. In the first picture the sight looks like a blade and in the last picture it looks like a pinched type, which has been dovetailed into the barrel. The original early Remington front sight would be a cone, which is dovetailed into the barrel. This would be consistent with your barrel serial number and two-line barrel address while the later front sight is a pinched type and screws into the barrel. Maybe you could send a couple of close up pictures of the front sight.
The loading lever latch post should screw into the barrel and as can be seen in picture number three it is dovetailed into the barrel. The revolver frame (sn 36300) was manufactured in September of 1863 while the barrel (sn 15725) came off of a revolver manufactured in March of 1863. It is not unusual to see New Model Armies with mixed serial numbers on frames and barrels. Government Inspectors inspected revolvers made for the Army Ordnance Department during the Civil War. The J on the frame is an inspection mark. There is usually one and sometimes two inspection marks found on the frame, barrel, trigger guard, cylinder and sometimes the loading lever. Once the revolver passed inspection the Principal Sub-Inspector stamped his cartouche on the outside of the left grip. If a revolver did not pass inspection the defective part was removed and another substituted in its place. The frame of revolver 15725 was probably defective and the barrel was removed to be used later on another revolver. The barrel on your revolver did not pass inspection so the original barrel was removed and the spare barrel 15725 was substituted. The cylinder also looks suspect to me. It doesn’t seem to match the revolver.

Bill

[billt]

Bonjour,
Bienvenue sur le forum RSA. Now that I have exhausted my French I will have to switch to English. If you mean by hybrid that the revolver is not all original I believe you are correct. Your revolver looks to me to be a standard New Model Army, which has had the front sight and the loading lever latch post changed. In the first picture the sight looks like a blade and in the last picture it looks like a pinched type, which has been dovetailed into the barrel. The original early Remington front sight would be a cone, which is dovetailed into the barrel. This would be consistent with your barrel serial number and two-line barrel address while the later front sight is a pinched type and screws into the barrel. Maybe you could send a couple of close up pictures of the front sight.
The loading lever latch post should screw into the barrel and as can be seen in picture number three it is dovetailed into the barrel. The revolver frame (sn 36300) was manufactured in September of 1863 while the barrel (sn 15725) came off of a revolver manufactured in March of 1863. It is not unusual to see New Model Armies with mixed serial numbers on frames and barrels. Government Inspectors inspected revolvers made for the Army Ordnance Department during the Civil War. The J on the frame is an inspection mark. There is usually one and sometimes two inspection marks found on the frame, barrel, trigger guard, cylinder and sometimes the loading lever. Once the revolver passed inspection the Principal Sub-Inspector stamped his cartouche on the outside of the left grip. If a revolver did not pass inspection the defective part was removed and another substituted in its place. The frame of revolver 15725 was probably defective and the barrel was removed to be used later on another revolver. The barrel on your revolver did not pass inspection so the original barrel was removed and the spare barrel 15725 was substituted. The cylinder also looks suspect to me. It doesn’t seem to match the revolver.

Bill

[Kickingbear]

bonjour,
merci pour toutes ces informations.
The cylinder also looks suspect to me. It doesn’t seem to match the revolver.
c'est original quand même, le diamètre de la tige de barillet correspond bien
à un original.

le barillet à peu servi il ce servait de la conversion, il y a les 3 trous
taraudé dans le tablié.

bon dimanche

[Kickingbear]

hello, thank you for all that information.
The cylinder also looks suspect to me. It doesn’t seem to match the revolver.
it is still original, the diameter of the cylinder rod is Biena an original.
the barrel just served it served this conversion, there are 3 troustaraudé in tablié.
good Sunday

je vous envois un mp

[Kickingbear]

bonjour,
les guidons dérivable existait sur toutes les versions de 1858?
hello, the handlebars were differentiable on all versions of
(Beals, Old Army, New Model)

[ForumAdmin]

bonjour,
les guidons dérivable existait sur toutes les versions de 1858?
hello, the handlebars were differentiable on all versions of
(Beals, Old Army, New Model)

[Kickingbear]

merci beaucoup, pour les photos de mon arme, c'est sympa

[Kickingbear]

hello,
the handlebars were differentiable on all versions of 1858? hello, the handlebars Were differentiable on all versions of (Beals, Old Army, New Model)

[billt]

From you last picture I believe your revolver was at one time converted to fire metallic cartridges. The file marks on the frame at the top and bottom and the three tapped screw holes indicate a backing plate at one time was attached to the back of the frame. The number 18 stamped on the bottom barrel flat over the serial number was probably done during this process. The revolver was probably converted back to percussion at a later date to make it into a shooter. I do not believe this conversion was the work of the Remington factory because the Remington factory conversions have the rear top and bottom contours of the frame milled square and dovetailed to allow the backing plate to be mounted and secured with a single screw. The Beals and Old Model front sights were a cone, which was dovetailed into the barrel. The New Model front sights stared out with a cone and later transitioned to a threaded “pinched type” that screwed into the barrel. The transition from cone to pinched happened around serial number 50,000.


Bill

[Kickingbear]

OK, merci billt,
vous êtes un pro des revolvers Remington 1858