Blackhills or Hunters rifle ?

[marlinman93]

I suppose nothing is impossible, but the catalogs listed the Black Hills Sporters as .45-60 bottleneck. Your configuration sounds correct, but the caliber isn't the one listed. May still be OK, if there's no sign of rechambering or barrel being set back.

[oldremguy]

In the book by Roy Marcot " Remington Rolling Block Rifles, Carbines & Shotguns, Sporting & Target Rifles, he writes about the Black Hills Sporting Rifles. They were made in two styles, using the round military receiver and the octagon receiver found on the sporting model. The rifles made with the military receiver did not have a serial number stamped on it like the sporting receiver model. The three sporting model guns serial numbers that were listed in the book ranged from 7000 to 7700. All three of the rifles built using the sporting reciever were chambered in 45-60, the one gun in the book built with the military receiver was chambered in 45-70.

Have a good day,
Matt

[oldremguy]

Hello Bob,

Can you post any photos of your rifle; l would like to see the markings that are on your barrel. I mainly collect military rolling block rifles, but have three sporting rifles. Two of the sporting rifles have octagon barrels, the third one is a Creedmoor Musket with a round barrel. None of my sporting rifle have the HP stamped on them like is encountered on the military rifles and carbines. All I can think of is that your rifle was in with a bunch of military rifles and the inspector seen that it had a round barrel like all the rest of the military rifles that he was proof testing and put the HP stamping on your barrel.

The Creedmoor rifle that I have, has the serial number stamped on barrel, forearm, buttstock, butt plate and even the nose cap like is found on all of the sporting rifles, kind of cool. Does your rifle have the serial number stamped on all of its parts. I see in Roy Marcot book that some of the sporting rifles were made using the round military barrels. May be you have a military barrel on your gun. Your rifle could be one of the midrange target models shown on page 177, in Roy’s book. Sorry I can’t help you out to much, don’t know a lot about the sporting rifles.

Have a good day,
Matt

[marlinman93]

Any way to get a little better picture of the proof marks? More straight on, instead of the slight angle of the existing pics?
The rifle itself doesn't look all that different than many Rolling Block Sporting models I've seen, but I believe it has been overseas at some time in it's life, and the proof marks may telll us which country it went to.-Vall

[marlinman93]

I'm looking at my copy of George LAyman's new book on military Rolling Blocks, but don't se any reference to a "HP" marking anywhere on the New York rifles. He does mention a inspector's mark of "HBH" located on the forearm, and other places. Also a "GH" and "RPB", but no "HP".???

[marlinman93]

We've been hacked by a troll!