Engraved Model 12 .22 LR Rimfire Slide Action

[remington600]

This is in regards to the refinished 12 on guns america I take it. The barrel codes that are followed by a 3 are dates that it was sent back to the factory for repairs. The serial number would be an early one, but I do not have my paper work with me to give that date. If this is the 12 on guns america the price I believe to be high for a refinished one, but I also think its an F grade and not a D, but I have not really studied it. I have catalogs at home that I can try to scan the higher grade discription for you and post them.

Billy Smith

[DavidFagan]

1911, clearly an F.

There be no animals on a D and it's lightly engraved.

Maybe John can give a better answer as for a D, E, or F it's like porn I don't know how to define it but I know it when I see it

I agree w/ Billy I had looked at this myself it sure is nice but I just think it's to much for a refinished.

Actually if you look at the model 10 "d" that Rod Fuller has for sale on GA, that's a good example of "d" style engraving.

[John Gyde]

From the photos...It appears to be either a factory engraved "E" or "F" grade; sometimes they're hard to tell apart. Many have the grade stamped with the serial number. Yours was made c. 1912. If I understand your letters correctly (the 3 & letters) it was sent back to the factory for repair in March 1934. The slight differences in condition (wood like new, breechblock shows wear, etc) leads me to believe it has been refinished to one degree or another. There were no set patterns for the engraving so there is nothing to validate with absolute certainty that yours is a factory high-grade. The engravers were given a fair amount of liberty in their designs. I have never seen two that were exactly alike. There are also no records on the early high-grades that we have been able to find. The engraving on yours does appear to be factory to me though...

[John Gyde]

Me again... I looked at the ad... If it's original factory work, I don't think the price is out of line. One of the keys is to examine the checkering. A high-grade will not leave the factory with any over or under-runs (checkering lines that end before or after the border) on the checkering. If it has either of those blems, the wood ain't original.

[John Gyde]

No problem with the name. I've been called worse...

The catalogs from that era showed general representations of the work. Grade "Ds" normally had a corn cob fore-arm & did not have any engraving on the barrel. I own and/or have owned several "Ds" and this was true on all of them, but there are exceptions to every Remington rule. If the rifle started it's life out as a "D", I think it's had more done to it than wood. The engraving on the barrel doesn't match with a "D" grade. If there were records covering all this it would take the fun out of it...

[umcpumpgun]

I own both "D" and "F" grade mod. 12's and have examined several others along with all of the period catalogs, as well as an "F" grade very close in sn# range to this gun. There is no question that the metal is 100% "F" grade. I agree that I have never seen a "D" grade with a checkered forend. I feel certain that the wood is not original to the gun. If you look at the wood they used on the early grade guns it looked nothing like the wood on this one,and the checkering pattern looks close but not exactly right. "D" grades embelishment (metal and wood) stopped at the front end of the receiver. This gun looks like the one at the Rock Island Auction that sold recently. Nice looking gun but in my opion the wood isn't original

[DavidFagan]

I own both "D" and "F" grade mod. 12's and have examined several others along with all of the period catalogs, as well as an "F" grade very close in sn# range to this gun. There is no question that the metal is 100% "F" grade. I agree that I have never seen a "D" grade with a checkered forend. I feel certain that the wood is not original to the gun. If you look at the wood they used on the early grade guns it looked nothing like the wood on this one,and the checkering pattern looks close but not exactly right. "D" grades embelishment (metal and wood) stopped at the front end of the receiver. This gun looks like the one at the Rock Island Auction that sold recently. Nice looking gun but in my opion the wood isn't original

I don't know about the Rock Island, but otherwise I'd toss 100% on this. It's beautiful wood but it jumped out as not original to me as well, I guess considering it was sent back for repair twice and refinished, would you expect absolutely perfect wood?

I still say it's a beautiful rifle and someone did some fantastic work on it....

Looks quite a bit like mine..

[DavidFagan]

Thanks Mr. Fagan, for your images. See the similarities in terms of type and numbers of animals and the differences in terms of how the animals are specifically positioned, etc.

Can you share an image or two of your stocks?

And to confirm, your rifle is a Grade F?

Best regards,
Mike Talton

Please just David, Dave, or jerk
It's an F.