HELP! Remington Rolling Block

[Yellowhouse]

Sure be nice if you could post some pics. This could be interesting. Pics of the receiver and Remington Roll Stamp on the barrel too!

Reason we need pics is cause you may have a unique original rifle or e.g., something like this one that recently sold on gunbroker and item # 127455929 . Nice rifle, remington roll stamp on barrel, serialed to gun, etc. But the barrel is, in fact, a Badger! The odd lettering on the barrel prompted a query to the seller who did give me a candid reply. For starters,I asked him if it had 5 lands and grooves and he gave me that info about the Badger but did not post it for bidders either.

[marlinman93]

Which one that just sold on Gunbroker? There's only about a million listed in completed auctions there!

[Yellowhouse]

Which one that just sold on Gunbroker? There's only about a million listed in completed auctions there!

Val, its item # 127455929. Do a search using the number.

[Yellowhouse]

I'll see what I can do about the pictures. The problem with the roll stamp is that the barrel has been cleaned and only the 45 caliber marking on the underside and the 725 stamp under the forearm remain.

Go through some of the posts on sporters and characteristics thereof that have been discussed here. I went through quite a learning curve myself. Still don't know diddly but I am much more informed!

The tang- Is the lower 3/4 in longer than the lower?

Can you see absolutely no Remington address on the top barrel flat?

The original rem barrels had 5 lands & grooves.

Is the receiver octagon and rebated like in the auction gun and the one Marlinman93 posted on his new .22 or round?

Pics sure would help!

[marlinman93]

Hey Yellowhouse, you notice the lower tang on the one at Gunbroker? No extra screw, and not longer than the top tang. Another Sporter without the longer lower tang, or a reworked military??????

[Yellowhouse]

Val, I believe I asked him if the lower was longer and he affirmed it was. This is the same number of screws mine has and just looking it looks like its OK to me...longer that is.

[Yellowhouse]

I'll have to get back with you on the lower tang. I can tell you however that the 725 number actually circles the last screw if that helps. As for the lands and groves, I am pretty certain it is a 5. I don't have the gun on hand right now or I could tell you for sure. The barrel address either was never there or it was ground off. what puzzles me is that the 45 caliber marking on the barrels underside and the matching 725 are very proud! Why grind off the the barrel address and not these other numbers? I'll see if I can get you guys a picture tomorrow

Thats the problem these days...there are people who can and will re-stamp anything. On the other hand, markings underneath are generally protected and not subject to wear.

Here's a link to what we think is a very early sporter with the Round Receiver and crescent buttplate. See anything familiar? http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =123925071

[Yellowhouse]

I think we might have a winner! Same buttplate. Let me see if I can't get a picture for you guys tomorrow. What is the exact patent date that rifle will have if it is the same one. I think the one in question is 1868-1888.

Its not stated and that gun has long been sold. That's what puzzles me right now is that you have a low serial but a late patent date. Mine is 16xx and last patent date on the lh side of receiver is 1873.

Is there a serial number on the forearm itself. Also, look at the checkering pattern on the hammer and block tab....does it match those in the pics?

Looking forward to seeing the rifle.

[marlinman93]

My mistake Yellowhouse! I missed the end of the tang screw sticking down in his picture, so it does have the extra screw in the lower tang to secure the wood.-Vall

[marlinman93]

Hard to put a price on the Roller without seeing it, or getting really good pictures. The example Yellowhouse linked at Gunbroker will give you an idea of just how much even a crusty #1 Sporter will bring! Still it's tough to pin them down, as each area of the USA will bring different values, and then there's the luck factor! I found my set trigger #1 in .44 Sharps at a local shop for around $1200 a few years back. The converted #1 I found Sunday had a tag hanging on it of $300. Couldn't get my wallet out fast enough, and nearly broke my arm doing so!

[Yellowhouse]

You said earlier that it had a plain forearm but evidently it has the forend tip which is kinda key to what we are looking for...among a bunch of other things.

I need a little more information. What is the name, phone, and address of the rifle in question cause if you don't get it me or Marlinman93 will be on the trail shortly.

I can tell you one thing. If this rifle is in the condition that the Badger barreled one that sold today or considerably better than the junker link I sent...trade trade trade! If that Woodmaster is dear to you offer him a BY GOD new one for it. If he wants an older one get one off gunbroker.

Remember that #1 Sporters, especially early ones, or as rare as Libertarian Liberals!

Marlinman...dammit...you stole another one!

[marlinman93]

Look forward to seeing it! Always enjoy seeing another #1 Sporter show up!

[Yellowhouse]

Well, I had replied that the links don't work but they are now. Guess my reply didn't go through. Nice rifle....sure would like to see more detail.

[JimMill]

Nice gun. I believe one of Remington's early cartridges was a .45 bottleneck. I think they called it the 45 sporting round. Others have found this cartridge in early #1 sporters. It is seen in their older catalogs befor the 45-70 came out.

Jim

[Yellowhouse]

You're not going to be able to apply modern specs to old chambering in terms of rim diameter cause they've changed. If it is straight walled it may have been reamed to 2.4.

Remington's famed caliber was the 44-77 and 50-70 but it was chambered in who all knows what. I know of no 45 bottleneck except for Winchester calibers but they did chamber the fairly popular 44-90 Remington which may be what you are referring to.

Regardless of what the barrel is stamped it may be something else. Looks like a Cerrosafe chamber casting is in order and you should do this anyway if you plan on shooting it. There is a post on this forum on how to do this I believe.