Lower Tang Length on #1 Sporter

[Yellowhouse]

It has been reported that the longer lower tang separates the #1 Sporter from military and all other types. Yet De Haas says that both #1 and 1 1/2 actions had the longer lower early. What is early? Someone said the 1 1/2 appeared in 1888 but Schiers book says it appeared in Remington catalogs in the mid 1870's. Who's right?

Based on the wood profile, I've located a #1 sporter but the guy reports the action as 1.24, the lower tang is longer. I wonder if he measured the upper hex flats instead of the action walls though as this is a little large for the 1/2 and too small for the No. 1. Caliber is 38-55. Barrel markings are E. Remington & Sons and has patents on left side of receiver.

[marlinman93]

Thought you had a #1 Sporter Yellowhouse? If you measure the receiver you'll find it probably is very close to 1.24" width. Mine measures 1.245" wide.
As for #1 1/2's having long lower tangs, DeHaas was smokin something that day! The 1 1/2 Roller has equal length tangs that are both the same as the top tang of a #1 Sporter.-Vall

[Yellowhouse]

Well, I must have been smoking something when I measured mine cause it now measures 1.250! I wonder where that set in stone 1.3 in measurement comes from?

I assume the top rifle (1st pic) is a 1 1/2 which is pictured as the third rifle in the bottom pic. Is the last one is a # 4 or 6?

Thanks again, I feel better about it now...I think.

Thanks Vall.....again!

[marlinman93]

Yes, and no. The top rifle is the #1 1/2, bottom is the #1. In the second picture they are left to right: #1, #1 1/2, #2, #3, and #4.
I've always wondered where he got those measurements. I've not seen a ton of #1 Sporters, but all I have measured were 1.24-1.25" wide.

[oldremguy]

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The top rifle is a Sporting Model Creedmoor Musket chambered in 44-90???? The thickness at the front of
the receiver is 1.22", the thickness at the back of the receiver is 1.24". This rifle has a longer bottom tang.

The 2nd rifle from the top is a No.1 Sporting rifle chambered in 32 Long rimfire. The thickness at
the front of the receiver is 1.23" and at the back of the receiver is 1.24". This rifle has the longer bottom tang.

The 3rd rifle from the top is a NYS Model rifle chambered in 50-70. The thickness at the front of
the receiver is 1.32" and at the back of the receiver is 1.36". This rifle does not have the longer bottom tang.
But some of the early made rolling block rifles that were chambered in .58 rimfire or centerfire using Model 1861
and 1863 Springfield musket parts (wood, barrel, barrel bands, buttplate and rear sight) do have a longer bottom tang,
as found on the sporting models.

The 4th from the top is a baby carbine, built on a No. 1-1/2 frame in 44-40 caliber. The thickness at the front of
the receiver is 1.14" and at the back of the receiver is 1.13". This carbine does not have a longer bottom tang.

The Model No.1-1/2 sporting rifles were first found in the 1885 Remington catalog and were
produced until about 1897.

Have a good day,
Matt

[Yellowhouse]

Thanks fellows, you've been very helpful. Here's the rifle in question. A 38-55 and no I didn't buy it. Its for sure a # 1 and looks to be a fairly rare bird!

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =122973958

Please both of you look at my newest post entitled #1 1/2 or Not Again. This stuff is about to drive me and a buddy crazy.