Help With Stock ID

[Dick Hosmer]

The top stock in the first picture is a 1st Model Winchester-Hotchkiss. Whether it is the fairly common commercial model, or one of the three scarce/rare Springfield variants cannot be determined from info given. Are there any markings, such as ESA/1878 in a large oval on the left wrist, or a (P) behind the trigger guard cutout? The darker cleaning rod appears to be from a Springfield, so, if it was associated with the W-H stock, might provide a clue. What is the length of the rod?

Beyond that I cannot say, though I'd not dispute your contention that the forends, or at least two of them (with the shorter tenons), could be RB wood. The bright rod appears - from the distinctive head - to be Remington, but I have no idea from which model.

Hope that helps.

[Dick Hosmer]

It would surely be nice to hear back from the OP. Why ask a question, then disappear?

How long is the Hotchkiss stock, from the band shoulder to the end of the wood? Are there any horrible issues in the buttplate area? I know it has been butchered some, but, if you do not need it for yourself, I know someone (not myself) who might be interested, if it is long enough. Thanks.

[Dick Hosmer]

Thanks, Chris. I'll pass the info along. Will it be for sale?

[Dick Hosmer]

Apparently, from checking dimensions, including rods, on my two Springfield-Hotchkiss Navies, that is what it is, but, given that the dimension from center of safety/cutoff button to lower band is 11", the 15-5/8" dimension seems to be a bit short? My friend is trying to find a stock for the army model, which is about 4" longer.

[ehull]

The stock second from bottom looks to be a Remington smokeless model fore stock, the fourth from bottom a 3-band Remington or Whitney forestock from the black powder era--the length would determine the model.